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Seamer Horse Fair: 'Why is this on our doorstep?'



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Published Date: 15 July 2008
MORE than 100 residents attended an emergency meeting last night to ask the question – why is Seamer Horse Fair on my doorstep?
During the two-hour meeting, chaired by senior university lecturer Richard Harris, residents were given the opportunity to raise their concerns about the travelling community which has set up in their "front gardens" in Centurion Way.

Answering their questions was Chief Inspector Andy Everitt and Sergeant Matthew Millington from North Yorkshire Police, Scarborough Council's head of environment services Andy Skelton, and Persimmon Homes contract manager Mark Taylor.

The main areas of concern for the residents were: why had this happened when it was foreseen months ago; how can it be brought to an end quickly, and what action will be taken to ensure the same thing does not happen next year?

Sgt Everitt said; "If this occurred within my street I would feel vulnerable and threatened, so I appreciate what you are feeling.

"The only way we can move them on is with what is called a section 61, but before we can issue that the land owner has to have asked them to leave.

"I have a serious issue about displacing a large number of the travelling community into other parts of the area not knowing where they are going to go, because they will still be here until the fair finishes.

"So far we have had a good relationship with the travelling community and have not seen any rise in crime or anti social behaviour.

"It is likely that the fair will take place in Centurion Way, and we have 20 officers who will be on site during that. Also I promise you that you will have officers patrolling the immediate vicinity 24-7."

Scarborough Council's representative at the meeting Mr Skelton said there had been problems finding a site for the travellers and apologised for the situation.

"This fair is not run by the council, nor Seamer Parish Council, it is run by the gipsy and travelling community. We could chose not to support them but they will come anyway, so by supporting them we are controlling it.

"We will now work with Persimmon Homes to make Centurion Way safe and to stop this happening again. Also I have got council staff on stand by to come in and clean up as soon as the fair is finished."

Residents accepted the horse fair, which starts today, will be held on their estate, but wanted assurances it would not happen again.

Mr Taylor, from Persimmon Homes said: "When we built the estate we signed an agreement to produce the land at the front as an open area. That agreement stood as a contract with the council. If they want us to change that to make the site more secure they will have to approach us with a new agreement.

"With regards to asking the unauthorised campers to move so the police can issue a section 61 order we have been acting on the advice of the police since we found out about the problem."

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English like wot she is meant to be spoke,

15/07/2008 14:28:08
Skelton: "by supporting them we are controlling it" - explain how that works will you because it seems the other way round to me!

Seems to be some doubt as to whether Andy Everitt is a Sergeant or a Chief Inspector, but either way his comments, "So far we have had a good relationship with the travelling community and have not seen any rise in crime or anti social behaviour" sounds like the usual police burying their heads in the sand.
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Lady Taurus ,

Scarborough 15/07/2008 18:50:59
#1 They are not burying their heads in the sand, just telling it how it is. But of course that doesn't please you.

I feel Andy Skelton has used his brain and done the best that he could to solve this dilemma.
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Amaroo,

Scarborough 15/07/2008 19:17:26
Neither the police or Andy Skelton have used their brains.

All they are doing is aiding and abetting and illegal Travellers Camp at Centurion Way.

There should have been no 'dilema', the Travellers should have been moved on from Centurion Way if they would not use what is provided. The Travellers should think themselves very fortunate that our Council is spending our money on Itinerant Irish Travellers.

Because as sure as night follows day it would not be done for any other section of society. Any of us organising a similar event would be told we could not do it and if we proceeded we would be arrested and charged.

You sure you are not a 'Traveller' Lady Taurus that's gone into housing ?.
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sandra t ,

harrogate 15/07/2008 20:48:32
Coming to Scarborough on Sunday there were Gypsies parked all along theA64 and signs that all the rubbish was piling up already.Last year after the Fair every Layby seemed to have heaps of Scrap metal,gas cylinders and general rubbish left for weeks.Good luck to all residents I think you will need it.
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Lady Taurus ,

Scarborough 15/07/2008 21:10:19
#3 Amaroo: You are wrong again, I have always lived in a house and in Scarborough. Unless you count the touring caravan we used to have in our younger day's and went on holiday in. Sorry to disappoint you.

I just care about any human being that is being victimized, discriminated against and called obscene names.

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Amaroo,

Scarborough 16/07/2008 07:42:17
Nobody is discriminating against anyone.

If these Travellers were prepared to respect the law and all that goes with it one might have a little (just a little) tolerance for them. Sadly they do not and never will.

These Travellers respect nobody nor any laws that we in a civlised society have to.

Sadly in this instance they are being assisted by the Council who moved facilites from the designated site to an illegal one. It is the Travellers that should have been moved, right out of the area.
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16/07/2008 08:01:56
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sympathetic,

Wales 16/07/2008 11:58:41
Amaroo,

It is about not discriminating against people and allowing scope for people within the law to follow different lifestyles. Its about accomodating each other.

The inspector has taken a common sense position and the longer solution isn't about barring every possible space off and forcing travellers into a muddy field. Its about being tolerant enough to find a suitable field where they can continue to have their fair in the future. If you want them to be civilised it helps to given them the means to do that.

Then of course it is right to expect them to keep things clean and tidy, but you have to be realistic to know that you are never going to get perfection. Not every house is tidy, not every garden is tidy, not every mainstream event leaves everything pristine.

And you can't simply make the travelling life illegal for everyone who wants to do it and in some cases have done so for generations. We have to find ways that it can be done that recognise the needs of both the travelling and settled communities. If you make it really difficult and put obstacles at every turn you in fact limit people's ability to do so in a way that enables them to be diffeent but still play a full part in society.
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English like wot she is meant to be spoke,

16/07/2008 13:36:10
To symapthetic, what you say sounds reasonable enough, but the issue is that all the tolerance is one way: the travellers have no respect for any one else's way of life, which is why I for one have no respect for theirs.

You say: "We have to find ways that it can be done that recognise the needs of both the travelling and settled communities." Fair enough on the face of it but who foots the bill? The "settled" community, as you call it, people who work hard and honestly through the year, pay their taxes and treat their neighbours with respect, those are the people who will end up paying for this debacle - not just the residents of Crossgates who have their quality of life threatened but the rest of us who are paying the salaries of Skelton, Everitt etc through our taxes and expected rather more from public servants with such grandiose titles.

PS Andy Everitt now just a plain Inspector in today's article, a funny business promotion and relegation in the Scarborough Police!
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Lady Taurus ,

Scarborough 16/07/2008 15:05:33
#8 Well said, a lovely sensible letter, thank you for your support of the gypsies.

Why should the gypsies show respect to residents who spread malicious gossip, rumour and cause hysteria, whenever the gypsies arrive.

Would they all like to be referred to as dirty thieves? I think not. If they took the time to be civil to the gypsies, they would be civil back.

I also feel Andy Skelton and Inspector Everitt handled this situation admirably. Well done gentlemen.
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