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Published Date: 20 November 2008
A councillor plans to tell Government transport chiefs how Scarborough taxpayers are being "taken for a ride" over the controversial concessionary bus fare scheme.
Cllr Godfrey Allanson will meet with the Department of Transport to discuss claims of unfairness within the scheme.

Mr Allanson said: "They haven't got a clue what is happening around the county. The department fails to see that their system is flawed."

The scheme allows anyone aged 60 and over to travel free on buses anywhere in England and has proved costly for towns such as Scarborough which are popular with holidaymakers.

Cllr Allanson said: "We pay the return fare. Where we might get groups of people from areas where they are well funded, we have to pay the return fare. Many areas are losing money because of this – maybe not as much as Scarborough. But some are making a profit. It is so unequal and so crazy."

The estimated cost of the scheme in the Scarborough area is £1.82 million. With government funding of £839,000, the remaining shortfall of £981,000 needed to be financed from the council.

Earlier this year, MP Robert Goodwill raised the issue in the House of Commons during his first full debate as transport shadow minister.

Bus companies have also expressed the view that the scheme is underfunded and had experienced a 12 per cent rise in usage. Operators were concerned overloaded buses could discourage paying customers.

At a cabinet meeting, members acknowledged the problems the council faced.

A report by the council's finance department's, Elaine Rhodes, said the major risk of the scheme was the unknown final cost and its consequent impact on the council's budget.

She also pointed out that despite total costs being £200,000 under what they anticipated, caution needed to be exercised as the estimate was made before the main summer season. It also did not include any additional cost claims that may be submitted by bus operators for which some provision had been made.

Cabinet members also acknowledged representations made from various groups who suggested changes to the local element of the bus pass scheme. These included the qualification of a companion pass, alternative travel concession in place of a bus pass and travel before 9am for disabled pass holders.

Since the launch of the national scheme the number of passholders in the borough has increased by more than 4,000 to 29,000. More than 91 per cent of the borough's residents over 60 now possess a bus pass and the number of journeys now made has increased by 30 per cent.

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  • Last Updated: 20 November 2008 8:37 AM
  • Source: Scarborough Evening News
  • Location: Scarborough
 
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Enquiries@raincliffehotel.co.uk,

scarborough 20/11/2008 09:02:21
I just don't know why they charge a nominal fare for the over 60's, they were doing this in Grampian 15 years ago and that was 20p. A fare of 50p for shorter journeys and £1.00 for longer ones (e.g. Scarborough to Bridlington). This would still an absolute steal in this day and age and it would help to reduce this shortfall.

I have to laugh, some pensioners (like my parents) have been loyal car users all their lives, still keeping two vehicles (just in case!) now they are retired. As soon as they qualified for their bus pass, the cars are left at home and use their bus pass, hmmm.

Katherine
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Against Bereaurcracy.,

20/11/2008 09:03:59
Come on SBC make your mind up do you want to stop us coming into the town completely?.

Your message is like most of your announcements rather confusing, first you do your best to get us not to use our cars, you have caused us the ratepayers a fortune to date painting double yellow lines everywhere, employing a small army of enforcers and legal eagles to collect fines when we are errant in our parking manners and add to this the cost of the now almost mythical 'park and ride scheme'.

Now you tell you cannot afford for us to use the bus pass scheme, I for one would like you to make your minds up, this council is now becoming totally and completely anti motorist, anti free pass user and anti resident council ever.

Perhaps if we all start to walk, drive or use our free passes to shop elsewhere it will be your business that suffer.

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Against Bereaurcracy.,

20/11/2008 09:07:19
Could it be that scheme introduced by a Labour government just sticks in your craw.
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badger464,

20/11/2008 09:22:37
without doubt this is probably the most unfair government policy ever designed to muster votes.

working families on the breadline struggle to pay for bus fares yet people who can easily afford it travel free.

it doesn't even make economical sense when costs all around are rising, assuming the down turn in fuel prices are only a temporary blip, that the public purse can be dipped by a select few.

the grumblings however are not only in scarborough, i reckon its only a matter of time till this system in its present form is scrapped so enjoy it while you can.

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Northsider,

20/11/2008 11:48:13
As a user of this scheme a nominal amount should be paid. I just wonder how some companies account for the scheme,using the Marine drive buses you do not get a ticket with one comapny?
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Amaroo,

Scarborough 20/11/2008 11:55:24
Why should a man who is likely as not still working at 60 be allowed free transport ?. The free travel should be 65 for men.

I have never used it though entitled to, I prefer to use my car.
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Mortal Mindy,

20/11/2008 12:41:48
How does it cost more? THe buses are making the same journeys using the same fuel. The free bus pass for over 60's introduced by The Labour Party is an excellent scheme, helping the environment whilst also encouraging people to travel. My business in Scarborough has certainly benefitted from people using this scheme. Ideally the bus service should be re-nationalised and be free to all - including families, young people etc. This would reduce traffic pollution, and enable people of all ages to get to work, visit family and friends and generally get out and about. I really don;t know why people are moaning about this scheme costing so much when it is bringing folk and their spending power to Scarborough. In short the longterm benefits far outweigh the costs.
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English like wot she is meant to be spoke,

20/11/2008 13:54:02
OK I'm thick I know but...

"We pay the return fare. Where we might get groups of people from areas where they are well funded, we have to pay the return fare. Many areas are losing money because of this – maybe not as much as Scarborough. But some are making a profit. It is so unequal and so crazy."

I've read and re-read this statement and still can't figure out what it means. Can anyone help?
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Mortal Mindy,

20/11/2008 14:52:27
#8 - obviously not ,I must be very thick too- however to be fare or not fare "ITS JUST NOT FARE!!! from what I can gather its moaning minnies at the Council putting profit before providing public service.
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darkstairs,

bottom end 20/11/2008 15:06:25
I understood that the new passes had a magnetic strip, surely a swipe through a card reader will determine the fare price, and allow the fare to be claimed from the local authority, who in turn can reclaim it from central government.
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