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Published Date: 13 May 2008
By trevor hayes
A LEADING Scarborough councillor fears the two park and ride projects being built in the town will make little difference to the area's parking problems.
And Cllr Peter Popple has also queried why a similar scheme is not being built on the north side of the town.

Cllr Popple, the leader of the independent group, also argues the Seamer Road and Filey Road sites should have been built further out of town.

The two schemes, which are being overseen by North Yorkshire County Council, are part of Scarborough's £30 million integrated transport project.

This has also involved major work being carried out at crucial junctions to enable computer-controlled traffic lights to help ease the passage of the buses involved.

He claims the Seamer Road site, next to Deans Garden Centre, is "at the worst point it could be".

He added: "It is almost in the town. If you look at areas like York they are much further out."

Cllr Popple says the best site for traffic coming along the A64 Seamer bypass would have been near Scarborough Building Society's headquarters at the junction with Dunslow Road.

He added: "Drivers could have come straight off the bypass and into the park and ride. By the time they get to the one being built in Seamer Road they are almost in town and the temptation would be for them to continue, adding to the congestion.

"These park and ride sites will only hold 600 cars each. Given the amount of traffic we have at the height of the season they will make a difference but only a little."

Cllr Popple says the Filey Road site, near Osgodby, should also have been placed further out in the Cayton Bay area.

"Any park and ride scheme will help but I don't think they will make a major difference at peak times," he added. "It would have helped ease the traffic congestion if both of them had been built further out.

"We have been arguing these points for quite a long time now. It is a bit late too do anything about the ones being built but if they really want a park and ride scheme to help we should have one in the northern area."

He understands that a site had been earmarked in the Scalby Manor area.

He said: "I asked the highways chief at Northallerton about it but it does't look as if it will happen soon.

"Obviously, most of the traffic into Scarborough arrives on the A64. We accept that. But with all the developments taking place in the years ahead we will get more traffic coming in from the north side."

What do you think? You can leave your comments below.

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  • Last Updated: 13 May 2008 8:28 AM
  • Source: Scarborough Evening News
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Shrek,

Scarborough 13/05/2008 08:56:30
Tell us something we dont know. Everyone but the council thinks its in right place, but the council are not fit to govern they are as muhc use as a chocolate fireguard
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castle crusader.,

scarborough 13/05/2008 11:06:04
I think Shrek has stated the feelings of the majority of the Sca people quite eloquently.

Enough said!!!
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Amaroo,

Scarborough 13/05/2008 12:21:46
Has Cllr. Popple just woken up and become aware to something everyone knew before the project even started.

That said, the councillors thought it a great idea. Bit late in the day now.

All who have commented other than councillors have said it should have been built out near Morrisons which would have given access and egress from the dual carriage way. But, I believe that the land in that area is looked on as more valuable for building development than a car park. So it was a no-no.

It is common knowledge that the Scalby Manor area was originally suggested as a possible Park & Ride for the Northern side of the town. Later denied by the council.

The chickens will come home to roost when the visitors drive past the Seamer Road Park & Ride because they are so far into town. It will then cause chaos from B & Q lights right into the Northway lights as all are looking for a parking space.

The next thing that will happen on this intergrated road system is that the council will go round the town dumping heaps of tarmac in the middle of the roads !!!!.


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Lady Taurus ,

Scarborough 13/05/2008 13:18:51
I was so alarmed when I realised where the SBC were going to build this Park & Ride that I wrote to our MP Robert Goodwill and asked if he could do anything to stop it.

I also wrote to the paper along with many other residents who realised the folly of placing a Park & Ride on the Seamer Road, nearly into town.

Why is it that every other city and town places their Park & Ride on the outskirts and they work ok.

I do realise that it would cost more to bus people in from out near Morrison's. Then they would be stuck in traffic at Seamer Road. However it was the best place to put the site, as any driver would tell you.

One other big factor is SBC already owned this land, so didn't have to buy the plot.

I also recall Mike Jefferson writing that he was the only person who went to try and stop this Park & Ride being built in the wrong place.

I am left wondering why Cllr Popple hasn't voiced his worries until now. Surely he saw all our letters in the paper.
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Shrek,

scarborough 13/05/2008 13:31:50
I think Cllr Peter Popple has some motives to speak out now, as mentioned about its a bit late to speak out, why now.

The park and ride at York is great as mentioned it is much further out of town The one situated near Deans is too close, that area is already a bottleneck even in Winter at times.

I fail to see how the council policy of adopting yet more traffic lights with the ensuing traffic works will help ease congestion. Traffics lights to cause more congesting not less, ut heaven forbid we the Scarborians just pay the price of wasting our time in countless queues.

Oh SBC the lights at Valley road are getting silly. In certain circumstances the lights when proceeding down from Falsgrave only let 3 vehicles through this is even when there is no traffic coming from Valley road

Also the temporary lights at bottom of Victoria road and Northway dont give enough time I have witness countless vehicles coming through when clearly the lights have changed. At first I though it was people jumping red lights but I seen it far too many times now, some one will get hurt
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BGS,

13/05/2008 14:27:02
I agree fully with the opinion that the Park and Ride provision is in the wrong place, but I thought that the decision to build near Deans was actually made by NYCC rather than SBC - even though I also seem to recall that Cllrs Bosomworth and Allanson heralded its arrival as though they were entirely responsible.
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Mike Firth,

Scarborough 13/05/2008 14:58:10
I fully endorse what people have said but apart from the morrisons side of town theres no where for it to go.. I use the harbour quite a lot in the summer and parking is a nightmare for those wanting to park all day and deposit heavy equipment and catch the tide. I'll be one of those NOT using the P&R cos its no good to me
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pandaman,

13/05/2008 18:33:10
I wish i had been on the planing group, The Osgodby bypass would not have gone thro as it is, but, as a Scrborough bypass, linking all 4 major roads into S,boro, with a P & R one south and one north. Anyone coming from the south wanting to go to Whitby or M'bro would not have to go thro the town, and vice versa from the north.
Most towns and citys have a bypass to ease congestion, but not S'boro, we will all be stuck in traffic as always.
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13/05/2008 22:34:47
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Amaroo,

Scarborough 14/05/2008 07:27:31
To 'pandaman'.

That would have been logic, so therefore the Council would not have entertained it at all. Their sole aim is it seems to cause as much traffic congestion and problems as they can in the Borough.

To 'Shrek'.

Totally agree re Cllr. Popple. Why all of a sudden has he raised his head above the parapet ?. The P & R is well into its build now, why did he not voice concern before ?. Very strange.

May well be that he rarely ventures out that way and came across it going to Morrison's !!!!
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