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Published Date: 22 May 2008
A HOUSE in a quiet Scarborough street earmarked for problem youngsters has caused a storm among residents.
If councillors approve, students and staff from the Farrow House School in Alma Square could be transferred to Avenue Victoria from September.

The school caters exclusively for children who have been expelled from mainstream education due to behav
ioural problems.

The three-storey six-bedroom semi-detached property in Avenue Victoria is a residential home providing group care for young people who demonstrate challenging behaviour.

It is intended the new school will cater for up to 24 pupils and 12 members of staff between the hours of 8.30am and 3.30pm.

Worried residents have collectively written a letter of objection to each member of the planning committee.

Michael and Josephine Warburton, who have lived in the street for 20 years, are next door to the current care home. She said: "They cannot bring a school like that here.

"It is not on. We are standing up for our street. I know these children have problems, and they have to go somewhere, but not in a quiet residential street."

Mrs Warburton added: "The building is not adequate for a school. The language of the children there at the moment is appalling – we have to keep our conservatory windows shut because it is just disgusting."

David and Eva Haigh have lived in their ground-floor flat across the road for around four years. Mr Haigh, a retired sales executive, said: "We have loads of problems with the kids at the moment – I dread to imagine what it would be like with 24 of them.

"There have been occasions, where they have walked up to and down the street throwing 2p pieces at people's windows.

"We had to pay almost £1,000 extra to have wooden windows installed rather than uPVC ones because this is a conservation area. How can they even think about letting a school like that set up in a conservation area? It is just a joke.

"The company who owns the school and the care home have other schools around the country and none of them are based in a residential area like this. It is totally unsuitable. The police are regular visitors – just the other week they were here twice in one afternoon. That is just with the few people who live there now."

Mrs Haigh added: "The building is just not suitable, it is in a state of disrepair. What will they do at breaktime and lunchtime? They will terrorise Ramshill which is a nice area. A lot of elderly people live here who will be frightened. I just do not understand. I for one will be looking for somewhere else to live if it goes ahead."

Residents are also concerned about the traffic and parking as the street already suffers from limited parking. Farrow House runs both the home and school on behalf of the Continuum Care and Education Group, which works with Social Services to provide care for young people.

Bob Hall, Continuum chief executive, said the company had not been made aware of any complaints but would be happy to meet with residents to discuss their concerns.

He said: "We can't take any more students at this time despite there being a considerable waiting list because the current building is too small.

"We are therefore looking to move to another premises which could open up another six places." Mr Hall added: "We offer an important service to students, some of whom will have had a dreadful start in life and have missed out in terms of education.

"The new school will have better facilities for vocational training and skills for life, such as plumbing, joinery, cooking and hairdressing. Bosses at Farrow House are believed to be interested in transferring the residential home to a Seamer Road property should the site in Avenue Victoria become a school. A date is yet to be set for the council to review the application.

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  • Last Updated: 22 May 2008 9:04 AM
  • Source: Scarborough Evening News
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castle crusader.,

scarborough 22/05/2008 09:39:43
The concept is a good good one and lord knows much needed, alas once again a worthwhile project are shooting theirselves in the foot by wanting to put it in a residential area, would any of the directors of this consortium want it next door to them, no, thats why they chose Ave Vic.

Judging by the new facilities they wish to offer or expand including, better facilities for vocational training and skills for life, such as plumbing, joinery, cooking and hairdressing, surely this sort of project would be better suited to an industrial estate.

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badger464,

22/05/2008 09:57:26
quiet street? is this the same alma square thats next to the lord roseberrys pub? i do agree that this isn't the place to situate this type of centre though but neither is avenue victoria
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Lady Taurus ,

Scarborough 22/05/2008 10:20:19
These youngsters cause upset and damage wherever they congregate. They do intimidate other people who stand up to them, when they cause damage and swear, spit, etc.

People who have to live near by and witness their bad behaviour are very frightened of them. One told me they daren't complain for fear of being targetted by them.

We often wondered what the police were doing so often in Alma Square. We thought it must be someone who had a flat up there, causing upset.

I must add they were not going to the Lord Rosebury, when we saw them several times.
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Lady Taurus ,

Scarborough 22/05/2008 10:24:34
I must add it is not all the youngster who do wrong. A group of them were at the matinee at the Westwood Theatre yesterday and they were very well behaved.

Maybe some just hate school and so play up, they need to be found something that does interest them to learn. Then they will change and do well.
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Red Devils,

Scarborough. 22/05/2008 14:41:03
I agree that these children have got problems and do need help, but to put them into a residential area is not the right thing to do. I am sure that if any of the councillors or planning people from the council were to have such a thing in their street or next door to them they would refuse this planning application straight away so why should this situation be any different. The facilities that they are proposing to offer at the new school on Avenue Victoria would as previously pointed out be much more suited to an industrial estate unit were they would have much more room and the parking problems would not be an issue for staff.
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Lady Taurus ,

Scarborough 22/05/2008 18:45:28
The problems start when there is a small gang of these children together, they walk along, smoking and drinking in the streets, even where there is a ban on drinking. They are loud and swearing, as they walk along.

When they are alone they are very polite and civil, so it seems they egg each other on, to look big.
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D Anonymous,

Scarborough 22/05/2008 21:06:10
Having knwoledge of this proposed move for a while, I was happy for the residents of Avenue Victoria. Finally after having years of putting up with the children living at the home committing crime (admittedly mainly low level but very annoying and often costly crime) and being generally anti-social in the street they were finally going to have their problems reduced. And suddenly the residents are shooting themselves in the foot.

Having 3 or 4 'problem' children living at the home 24 hours a day as it has been is far worse than the proposed 24 'problem' children who will be there for 8 hours a day. What the residents need to remember is that 24 is the maximum. Even if the school is fully subscribed then they must remember these are 'problem' children who will often refuse to go to school. Despite the best intentions I think even the school itself would be surprised to find a full classroom on any given day.

I'm sure if the residents have a look at the problems they have suffered over the recent years they will see that they occur during the evenings. As with any other teenagers the children will find a way to get hold of alcohol, will get drunk and will occasionally cause the crime that comes with that, BUT MAINLY AT NIGHT.

The positives of having a 'problem child' free zone at night time is something that should far outweigh the negatives of having more during the day.

And as for the police attending Alma Square it is rarely for the school and more often for the surrounding flats. The police do attend Avenue Victoria regularly but this is only because they work very closely with the home to keep the children out of trouble and to ensure they are aware of the police presence. I would estimate that 80% of the police visits are social calls to ensure that the children are not causing a problem for local residents.

The residents of Avenue Victoria need to rip up their petition and support this decision which will not just benefit them but benefit them ma
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D Anonymous,

Scarborough 22/05/2008 21:32:13
That last sentence (above post) should read:

The residents of Avenue Victoria need to rip up their petition and support this decision which will not just benefit them, but benefit them massively.
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castle crusader.,

scarborough 23/05/2008 08:06:12
The residents argument against this proposal holds little water if they are saying we do not want this school in a residential area, it may have slipped their memory but they already have two very close by, Bramcote and the Scarborough colledge, both in residential area's, or are they saying we do not want underpriveledged and deprived children being educated on our door step but privately educated kids are OK.

Which ever argument they use they are both seriously flawed and rather biggoted, if however they are saying vocational training and skills for life, such as plumbing and joinery, would by their very nature turn the school in to some sort of workshop, with the inevitable noise these trades emit causing a nuisance to us, then their argument would would be sensible and genuine.
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castle crusader.,

scarborough 23/05/2008 08:18:10
Or is it just another case of NIMBYism?.

Lets all go out find a dog that is down and give it a good kicking.
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