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Published Date: 10 June 2010
CONSULTANTS charged with overseeing the destiny of Scarborough's Futurist building have revealed their findings - with one official branding plans to include a theatre in the redevelopment as "commercial suicide".
Scarborough Council's Futurist Task Group met with chartered surveyors and theatre industry representatives yesterday for talks to begin thrashing out the building's destiny.

The discussion included detailed evidence on the two main proposals, of fully redeveloping the site or maintaining the provision of a theatre within any improvements.

The meeting heard from Mark Rotherby, a chartered surveyor with management and construction consultancy firm Knight Frank, who said any proposal to provide a theatre inside the Futurist would be "commercial suicide".

Mr Rotherby said he was "unequivocal" in his opinion that financing the redevelopment of the Futurist complete with theatre would be "wasting tax payers' money on something which is not needed", and suggested the best alternative would be to include a casino on the site.

He said the whole of the Futurist site, including the Town Hall King Street extension, would be a more attractive proposal to developers and said a cinema, hotel or residential accommodation with car parking and a restaurant would be equally as feasible.

However, Mr Rotherby tempered the claim with the cautious announcement that the market would not be able to sustain such a development until at least 2012.

The meeting also heard from theatre consultants Lynne Burton and Robert Cogo-Fawcett, who said the building's future hinged on the introduction of a refreshed entertainment itinerary.

Mr Cogo-Fawcett said: "Given the limitations and funding that have faced the management of the Futurist Theatre, they have done very well and are worthy of praise.

"However, a programme of broader investment is needed in order to entice people and producers because Scarborough would not be a priority for the Arts Council and it is becoming increasingly difficult to get acts to go on the road.

"There is also a dearth of product in Scarborough, especially for things like stand-up comedy and modern children and family shows, and there needs to be a strong programme throughout the year with a broad and well-balanced appeal to attract audiences.

"There needs to be quantity, but that brings a risk which needs underpinning and there is a need to look at what the market wants and how best to provide that."

However, Mr Cogo-Fawcett said there were significant drawbacks with the configuration of the Futurist and added the theatre was at risk from rival venues in the town.

He said: "Despite having a flytower there is negligible wing space and scene dock for large-scale shows in the Futurist and sets have to be brought in through the auditorium.

"The stage is of a peculiarly small scale in comparison to the number of seats and it is difficult to find the Futurist intimate.

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  • Last Updated: 10 June 2010 9:27 AM
  • Source: Scarborough Evening News
  • Location: Scarborough
 
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Amaroo,

Scarborough 10/06/2010 09:54:02
"However, Mr Cogo-Fawcett said there were significant drawbacks with the configuration of the Futurist and added the theatre was at risk from rival venues in the town".

What rival venues ? The Spa and the SJT with the Open Air Theatre as an outdoor venue only for a short period of time per year. None have the facilities to put on the shows the Futurist have.

"Mr Rotherby said he was "unequivocal" in his opinion that financing the redevelopment of the Futurist complete with theatre would be "wasting tax payers' money on something which is not needed", and suggested the best alternative would be to include a casino on the site.

He said the whole of the Futurist site, including the Town Hall King Street extension, would be a more attractive proposal to developers and said a cinema, hotel or residential accommodation with car parking and a restaurant would be equally as feasible."

It reads like that statement has been written by the Council to suit its own purpose of the demolition right back to King Street and possibly across the road other than the Town Hall itself.

A box of kippers smell here.
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hypnoman,

Scarborough 10/06/2010 09:56:05
We all know as we have for many months that The Futurist will go. All these talks back and forth are a total waste of time the council have made a decision and that is The Futurist will be demolished. Personally I think this is a shame. The Spa renovation will not work simply because it will not seat as many as The Futurist and will not attract big names, it is also off the beaten track, location, location, location springs to mind. The Open Air Theatre will not work simply because it doesn`t have a roof !!! It can only be operated in the summer month, yes I did say month that was not an error. How can anyone say The Futurist will be competition, there is nothing to compete against. People complain that the acts that are scheduled to perform this year consist of 2nd rate names which in a way is true. However Barrie Stead can`t book the big names because of the uncertainty of the future of the theatre. the big names such as Billy Connolly and the large scale West End style shows back off for fear of shows being cancelled at the last minute. Did I read correctly that one of these guys at the meeting suggested ANOTHER casino? Come on have a word with yourself if that`s one of your ideas then I think I will take everything they say with a pinch of salt. So what have we got to look forward to in this upcoming booming tourist resort erm let me think.....A theatre with no roof, a theatre which has cost millions to renovate and will lose millions over the years, a third casino, a North Bay development that hasn`t actually been developed, traffic jams on Seamer Road when thousands flock to Scarborough to see what we haven`t got to offer. Oh I forgot and Poundland ! Won`t be long before we see tumbleweed rolling across our famous town.
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spy,

10/06/2010 10:08:28
Take a step back, the current economic structure of the borough is commercial suicide:

1) Half the working age population on benefit.

2) Very low average skills.

3) Geographically isolated.

4) Local council attached to flogging the dead horse of UK mass tourism.

The solution is to agressively mark down everything: houses, council tax/rates, minimum wage, benefits paid.

The boorugh is in a dire need of a year zero solution. Nothing. Everything done has just made thigns worse.

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park n hide,

scarborough 10/06/2010 10:20:24
Re 2, Fully agree Hypnoman,the genius who suggested another casino should be headhunted by our council to make up the complete set! Have we had any more news on the moves to make the Futurist a listed building and if it became listed would all these ideas have to be relegated to the dust bin?
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micky7,

10/06/2010 10:27:54
Is it the Futurist theatre or the open air theatre, I think the council have put to much faith in this global warming theory warm sunny days blue cloud less days. Like the council a load of hot air. At least the Futurist as a roof.
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Markdrum,

10/06/2010 10:36:42
#4, Still waiting on news of the listing, hopefully this would relegate all the above nonsense to the bin. Its just all so confusing, your man from Knight whatever says no hope of anything till 2012 anyway. I think thats optimistic, there will be no more developments like the Sands for at least 20 years, there just won't be the money around to risk. #3, Top marks, this town has stuctural economic problems that mean we will be hit harder by government cut backs than else where, we need to look at pulling together and sorting out some really sensible ideas that will help everyone in the town, not just those select few. The best idea would be for the council to support a more forward thinking plan for the futurist, and the plan should run till at least 2015, at which point, presuming the economy has miraculousy recovered, things can be re-asessed. The council have left it all too late, surely they can't be stupid enough to knock down a theatre and leave a patch of land doing nothing for the next ten years, or can they?
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jakeyjig1,

10/06/2010 10:37:41
"Mr Rotherby said he was "unequivocal" in his opinion that financing the redevelopment of the Futurist complete with theatre would be "wasting tax payers' money on something which is not needed", and suggested the best alternative would be to include a casino on the site."
How many bl**dy casinos do we need ?
Where do these so-called consultants come from ?
Yes, it`s all part of SBC`s not-so-secret masterplan for the area.
In the last year I have travelled to theatres in Gateshead, Skegness, London, Leeds, Bradford,and Huddersfield to see top class productions. This week I am travelling to Newcastle and later in the month Bradford again.In each place I have stayed in a hotel/ b & b,spent money in local cafes and shopped to my hearts content.
I have NEVER been in a casino !
Says it all really.
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Zuperacko,

10/06/2010 10:40:04

The sad truth is that for decades now theatres have been closing down all over the country including the Floral Hall and the Opera House in Scarborough.

Acts wont go on the road and when they do its difficult to coaxe people away from their "home entertainment centres"

I would, but without too much enthusiasm, agree with a hotel or a casino or a cinema, but I would not want to see the site developed solely for residential purposes, not in an area which caters for tourists.

Which brings me back to the suggestion that I have been espousing for some time now, a multipurpose adaptable facility that can hold major acts and large conferences
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milkyman,

10/06/2010 10:54:14
Mr Rotherby says under no corcumstances is there any point in developing the futurist and the only way forward is to completely demolish it and add have a casino in the future plans. He was talking from a developing point of view, not from en entertainments or tourist point of view. Surely SBC have more sense than to listen to this man whose main interest is building a casino on this prime site, or is that SBC plan all along, just to get someone else to recommend this so they can say it was not their idea but Mr Rotherby's. I note the next two meetings open to the public are on Tuesday and Thursday next week at 5.00, I urge as many people as possible to descend on the town hall, and let this task group know the full feeling. In addition ask at the Town hall to be included on the list, so they will let you know when the consultation goes on the website. It is a long shot but the only way the theatre will be saved is by the public showing them that they are opposed to losing the theatre.
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Alan Kennedy,

10/06/2010 11:07:45
Benchmark/Apollo/Sands revisited.

I am awaiting the imminent announce from SBC that they have found a private developer of great repute, established only yesterday, as partners in the South Bay redevelopment.

The developers are prepared to include everything that everyone in the town wants after they have planning permission for Luxury homes and flats to be built on the whole site, the public facilities will be built in phase 10 of SBC grand masterplan.

A council spokesperson will in all probability announce that following on from the councils great success in the North Bay we are going to do the same for the South Bay and of course it will be at no cost to the council tax payer, not yet anyway.

Are we going to be had twice?
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